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Debate heats up on Cleveland Point’s future

22 Oct, 2009 04:54 PM
RESIDENTS have until Monday, November 2, to have their say on the future design of Cleveland Point through Redland City Council’s online survey.

The renewed public consultation follows the altered design of the point in place during filming of the most recent Chronicles of Narnia film last month, as well as the large concrete platform, used to manoeuvre the Dawn Treader boat and now left at the Point.

While the Narnia producers had suggested a carousel and Cleveland councillor Craig Ogilvie proposed a gazebo, suggestions from The Redland Times readers have included reinstating the former jetty, installing a musical sculpture that utilises prevailing winds on the point, and a boardwalk around the perimeter of the point.

Votes at www.redlandimes.com.au show 43 per cent of voters want the ring road reinstated as it was; 34 per cent want more green space up to the water, 15 per cent supported a carousel and only eight per cent wanted a gazebo.

The council’s survey offers three design options to be voted on: a ring road around the edge of the point; a shortened ring road that allows more green space at the end of the point; and the removal of the ring road.

Redland Mayor Melva Hobson said if the survey showed more support for options two or three, which were different to the endorsed Master Plan, the new design would be opened for public submissions before returning to the council for consideration.

COMMENTS TO US:

Here are some of the comments made by readers of The Redland Times:

On The Redland Times’ facebook page to the question: “The concrete slab at Cleveland Point left behind from the Narnia set could be used for a carousel – would you want it there?”

Andrew N Katie Elms: “I don’t care where you get the money from! A carousel would be awesome, I can just see my husband and I down there watching our children. Anything that brings families together and gets them out of the house, enjoying our environment is a good idea :)”

Dajo Finlayson: “Yes!!”

Kylie Caruana: “That’s a great idea!”

Julie Bedford: “My kids would but who is going to pay for it . . . council???”

From mail.bbulletin @ruralpress.com

Brian Gallivan: “Let’s have an open parkland and a boardwalk with handrails all around at the end – together with a large covered gazebo over the Narnia ship concrete base – and better lighting at night.”

Andrew Hornery: “The recent filming at Cleveland Point has been fun, exciting, exhilarating, different; and now we enter a period where we are tempted to grasp around for anything that will keep the feeling going, even crackpot ideas like carousels, gazebos and large dragon heads on sticks for visitor photo opportunities? When we chill out, accept and live more comfortably with the ‘ordinary’, we can often find that what we thought to be ordinary is far from it.”

Frances and Bob Ashwell: “We came to Cleveland in 1969 and loved the area and I know you must expect some changes but we have seen so many here. Please do not try to make Cleveland Point a disaster. We haven’t got over the jetty being pulled down yet? We would like to see option one, or a nice walkway extended out all around the point with seats and facilities for all of Cleveland; please do not hide the sea from us with concrete.”

Margaret Hardy: “The Narnia debacle should not have been allowed but the minimum requirements should have been total restoration of the point to its original condition, including the replacement of the Norfolk Pine that has historical significance and the removal of the concrete eyesore built into the bay.”

Terry Murray: “The exposed area of Cleveland Point and the availability of a concrete pad lend themselves to a sculpture type construction which stylises the Dawn Treader and perhaps embodies ‘singing ship’ technology to take advantage of prevailing winds to produce harmonic sounds.”

David Boxer: “Closing the ring road would be a backward step and deprive possibly 80 per cent of current users of the chance to stay in their car to shelter from the strong winds and weather which dominate the point while still enjoying the view? The park and ring road should be reinstated as it was, with no need for viewing platforms, carousels, water slides or other tacky constructions.”

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Ms Hardy says the Norfolk pine that was removed had historical significance.

Cr Craigo could you please clarify - Legally speaking should the production company have submitted an application (as the rest of us have to) to remove the tree? If yes then did they? If No why not?

Posted by jumpy, 22/10/2009 5:53:58 PM
Why not concentrate on restoring the Point to how it was before the stuffing around with the film set.

The access for both cars, pedestrians, park users and casual visitors were pretty good.

Decent maintenance is mainly what is required.

Thoughts about carousels seems like someone is trying to escape obligations to put the point back to where it was.

I read the film company's sign which is still at the park which says that it will restore the park/point to its previous condition.

(How to put the Norfolk pine back will be a bit of a challenge), that is an obligation which must be followed through.

The Point is one of the most outstanding features of Cleveland, treat it with care for the future.

Posted by Harvey, 23/10/2009 9:29:52 AM
Hi jumpy, I've previously explained this one.

'Historical significance' is not a heritage listing.

Once again, if you would like to call me on 3829 8607 I'd be happy to lead you through the intricacies...

Posted by crcraigo, 23/10/2009 3:30:27 PM
In response to Margaret Hardy: “The Narnia debacle should not have been allowed but the minimum requirements should have been total restoration of the point to its original condition, including the replacement of the Norfolk Pine that has historical significance and the removal of the concrete eyesore built into the bay.”

I Cannot believe you are criticizing them!

Shame on you is all I can say.

The Narnia cast and crew were the best thing that ever happened to us!

Instead of blaming them for something that isn't even their fault, you should be applauding them for putting Cleveland Point on the map and known to Hollywood!

Posted by narnia supporter all the way, 23/10/2009 8:34:25 PM
I like the look of option 1, with a ring road and speed bumps so that all traffic can still move through and have a view of the beautiful bay, but be slowed down by the speed bumps to create a safer area for pedestrians.
Posted by db, 23/10/2009 9:47:05 PM
Cr Craigo, you haven't answered my direct question with reference to this matter.

Again Should the production have been required to submit an application to remove the tree?

Did they? If not why not?

Posted by jumpy, 26/10/2009 11:42:23 AM
Just get them to restore the site to its original condition which includes getting rid of the large concrete platform. This should have been a condition of approval. In terms of any proposed changes - simplicity is the key. No carousels its not [...] Disneyland.

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Posted by Bert, 26/10/2009 4:34:28 PM
No Bert, a carousel is needed so that councillors can use it during their play time. Children will have to wait their turn. Shame, shame, shame.
Posted by Barbara, 27/10/2009 11:52:53 AM
We definitely want Cleveland Point to remain the way it was before the filming so we choose Option 1.

The area really does need sprucing up that's for sure and I guess we will all miss that Norfolk Pine.

Like a lot of other people we go to the Point almost daily, so our opinion ought to count for something.

We are decidedly against the idea of putting speed bumps on the ring road - that really would stuff things up.

We have not, so far, heard of the Point being used as a racetrack.

Posted by Kathy & Heinz, 28/10/2009 1:09:08 PM
Leave the point as it was - just increase the green area behind and make the restaurant provide its own carparks instead of rich people taking public spaces.

It is discriminatory to remove car spaces from the waters' edge -we have a family member with a severe disability and this is the only place we can drive to the waters edge-often he is too sick to walk even a few steps or get out of the car.

On many extremely hot summer nights this is the only place that lifts his spirits.

Think about people who can't afford air-conditioning and expensive restaurants and resort holidays - sitting on the waters' edge is all we have- and its value as a healing tool should not be underestimated.

Posted by Glen, 29/10/2009 6:57:39 PM
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Option 1 shows the ring road in its current position.
Option 1 shows the ring road in its current position.
Option 2 shows a shortened ring road with grassed areas extending to the end of the Point.
Option 2 shows a shortened ring road with grassed areas extending to the end of the Point.
Option 3 would replace the ring road with carparking.
Option 3 would replace the ring road with carparking.

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