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22 Mar, 2010 04:10 PM
PEOPLE in the suburbs of cities need to understand current proposals being considered by politicians and bureaucrats for the future of their neighbourhoods, an urban policy forum held in the Redlands was told last week.

The speakers warned that governments were failing to involve people meaningfully in discussions about issues such housing density.

The forum raised concerns that the push for higher density suburbs might not be the solution to current population pressures.

Urban researcher Prof Brendan Gleeson defended the record of suburban expansion, but recognised there may be a need for new direction now.

Federal MP Bruce Bilson said there was not enough effort by governments to involve people in the changes that were needed in cities.

“You can’t convince people that something is good for them by telling them – they won’t believe it,” he said.

The forum also those messages such as the continued portrayal of politicians in hard hats were confusing people in communities such as the Redlands about the real life issues facing them.

Both Griffith University urban policy researcher Professor Brendan Gleeson and Bruce Bilson, Federal Shadow Sustainable Cities Minister said people did not understand what was being planned for their communities.

“There is too much of an image of politicians in hard hats,” Prof Gleeson said.

“We are having an urban conversation that people can’t relate to.

“We are not bringing the debate back to local communities where we all experience the city and everyday life,” he said.

Prof Gleeson said there was a need to talk with communities about the choices they have before them.

“There is a disconnect between how people live and rely on their own community and their lives and the way in which we are managing our cities as construction sites,” Prof Gleeson said.

Mr Bilson said the future of cities affected everyone’s lives and evoked great passion.

“And too often it’s been a battleground that people feel governments are doing things to them and it is not something that has been sought or that is necessarily welcome.” he said.

Both Prof Gleeson and Mr Bilson were speaking at a breakfast organised by Federal Member for Bowman, Andrew Laming on Friday at the Pacific Resort in Cleveland.

Brendan Gleeson, who is Professor of Urban Policy, Griffith School of Environment believes that while continued suburban expansion may no longer be a solution to growth pressures, the higher density argument may not be the solution either.

He said until recently it was considered by planning commentators that high density was always good and that population growth on the fringe of cities was bad.

Prof Gleeson said while there were compelling reasons why the model of relentless expansion of the fringe of our cities could not continue, he did not agree that the suburbs were bad.

“The suburban expansion model served us very well as the nation for long time.

“I really oppose people who say that it (suburban estates) was somehow a bad thing to have done and suburbs are bad places. That is a foolish argument in my view.”

“We are a suburban people. We have long been, for a century, predominately living in the suburbs and we continue to live in suburbs and there is no sign of that changing.

“There is plenty of evidence that the suburban model was a good for one for very long time.

“We were able to house ourselves very acceptably and create great communities over a long time.”

But he said the suburban model may be running its course in the bigger cities.

“Maybe we can look at it in regional centres, but the relentless unstoppable expansion of our cities is problematical.

“But do we need to rush to the other extreme and embrace densification? I don’t think so, I think we have to have some real concerns about that as a project,” Prof Gleeson said.

Prof Gleeson said ddensity hadn’t always been an issue.

“It has preoccupied everyone’s minds for a couple of decades, but planning has been around for a lot longer than that,” he said.

“It wasn’t something that preoccupied planning in its whole history.”

He said in the 1980s propositions put forward by researchers internationally and in Australia focussed on higher density because it was seen as a lever for reducing energy consumption and generating better communities.

He said the research was well intentioned and was responsive to the sustainability pressures on cities

“But in reality that it doesn’t always turn out higher density is good, and lower density is bad.”

He said there was a need to take into account the energy use everyday compared to what goes into the construction and operation.

Prof Gleeson said most often authoritative studies show that often very high density leads to quite bad outcomes in turns of energy consumption per capita.

“By contrast the traditional detached dwelling can turn out, in certain circumstances, to be a better deal.

“What tends to come out best is well designed medium density.”

Mr Bilson believes that governments and industry when dealing with challenges of population growth, energy use and city plan, fail to engage the community.

He said it didn’t matter about the facilities or ideas that being offered by planning authorities is people didn’t understand what was happening and why.

“You can’t convince people that something is good for them by telling them - they won’t believe it.

“Not enough effort goes into winning the argument,” Mr Bilson said.

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Where was Laming and his forum on the future of our neighbourhoods when the Seccombe Six was stuffing suburbia AND high rise into our planning scheme in 2006. Didn't hear a peep from him then. Four years too late but just in time for an election, call me cynical if you like!
Posted by Warren, 23/03/2010 10:27:24 AM, on Bayside Bulletin
Lets build lots and lots of high rises! Capalaba is the center of the Redlands CITY! Let's make it a real city and get some proper urban development in the wasteland of progress!
Posted by Mark, 23/03/2010 5:38:09 PM, on Bayside Bulletin
It would be great to have a city with plenty of people, plenty of industry, plenty of big hospitals. A city in our own right, not just a series of feeder village to the city of Brisbane and its industry. If the Redland does not soon stamp its desire to create a seperate city, we will be swallowed up by Brisbane and just disappear into the suburban mire, never to be seen again.

A city where the public transport suits the needs of the Redland residents and their need to get to their jobs in the Redland, not just the terminus of the Brisbane transport system. Also get the Redland residents to their hospitals, shopping centres. A more local based public transport.

All this will come when the number of people, not koalas, rise to a high enough level. We could learn from Brisbane and have a koala/ wildlife sanctuary in the Redland and I for one have no problems with that.

People first, with a regard for wildlife and their exclusive habitat behind a fence. A large area separate from us and our cars, cats and dogs. The Redland cannot pretend any longer that it is a tourist destination. It has to supply jobs for the locals. Bring it on, and soon.

Posted by burdened, 23/03/2010 6:44:43 PM, on Bayside Bulletin
Burderned, I may have missed something in the latest census but the koala population is not rising it is crashing.

Unfortunately Redlands is not likely to be an industrial hub of SEQ. We are a long way from transport nodes, have no rail freight opportunities, can access a port of any size and substance, and seem to have a distinct lack of airports either. Redlands is and is likely to remain a service centre and a service economy.

Unfortunately, as we do what you suggest and develop our good quality agricultural land with mushroom cities we need less of these services as well. We cannot sustain the economy of the Redlands by an endless housing development scenario.

Surely we can be a bit smarter than that!!!

Posted by bill, 24/03/2010 8:18:36 PM, on Bayside Bulletin
Forums like this one organised by Laming are crucial, and there's going to need to be more of them. People in the Redlands need to really start thinking about how the area is progressing. In my opinion, more infrastructure is being directed towards the western region of Brisbane - towards Springfield and the like - because of clearer local master plans and higher densities. Higher density doesn't mean Gold Coast high rises. Things like townhouses and apartment buildings just a few stories high are the key, and centred around existing shopping and transport hubs like Cleveland and Victoria Point.

I believe that only once there's a critical mass of people and a clear plan for the Redlands that things like the Eastern Busway are going to get fast-tracked. At the moment, we're too bogged down in tit-for-tat arguments about unit blocks 'ruining the landscape' and the like.

Of course, never mind the fact higher densities in existing built-up areas mean that the Redlands can expand *without* bulldozing extra bushland. That should be enough of a reason for the current crop of councillors to take notice!

Posted by Jon, 24/03/2010 10:11:27 PM, on Bayside Bulletin
bill, so what you are saying is the koalas are on the way out with the present population. Do you have any idea how many Redlanders will have to move away to allow the koalas to continue in the area????
Posted by burdened, 25/03/2010 5:34:27 PM, on Bayside Bulletin
Bill, have you had a look at a map lately? The Redland as mentioned in all literature promoting the area is only a half hour away from Brisbane, the airport, and the harbour. Just down the road a little bit. It is Redland not Boulia, Cunnamulla. There are some places who do have some distance to travel.

Can you explain to me again, why Redland cannot be an industrial area, I must have mis-understood your past reasoning.

Bill, the area has to be something, it's hardly a tourist mecca, apart from a growing aged care industry, there ain't much to employ local people locally.

Posted by burdened, 26/03/2010 9:42:26 AM, on Bayside Bulletin

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